Which? Future of Banking Commission '' the big banking debate''

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Regarding this announcment 'Future of Banking Commission' launched - Legal Beagles

Which? and a cross-party group of senior MPs have launched the 'Future of Banking Commission'. The Commission will be chaired by former Shadow Home Secretary David Davies MP and will feature the participation of John McFall and Vince Cable. The Commission is proposing to hold three events early next year, which will be similar in style to a Select Committee. A report will then be published early in the life of the next government.



You can read more :- The Future of Banking Commission - Which? Campaigns

David Davis MP, John McFall MP and Vince Cable MP have all signed up to the Future of Banking Commission along with Which? chief executive Peter Vicary-Smith..
Other members of the Future of Banking Commission include Philip Augar (formerly a Group Managing Director at Schroders’ and now a writer on the financial services industry), Clare Spottiswoode (former DG of OFGAS), David Pitt-Watson (Chair, Hermes Focus Asset Management) and Roger Bootle (Managing Director Capital Economics).


Interest from our part on '' The Commission expects to hold 3 events early in 2010. These events will be held in a Select Committee style with organisational interests and commentators invited to give evidence. After the public sessions the Commission will meet to agree the report which would be published early in the life of the next Government to influence its start up work. '' ???

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That's a great idea and one that has my full support:

How the Commission will work

Evidence will be sought from ordinary people themselves as well as a wide cross section of interest groups including the banking industry, academics, the Bank of England, the Financial Services Authority, Trades Unions and other consumer groups.

To my mind, the problem is that private institutions have been given resposibility for managing the money supply without accountability.

I have no problem with companies making a profit, even a large one, but if it is on the most essential utility, the one that allows us to pay for all others, that is too much power out of our hands. How on earth do we hold them to account?

This could be a forum to redesign our banking system - the main issue is once we've done that, how do we persuade the banks to accept it?

The scale of power we are talking about is the ability to reduce a country to 3rd world status by restricting lending, deflating prices and ultimately causing mass unemployment. Familiar, eh?

Still, the Commission is a chance to get all that out on the table and raise public awareness.

To stand any chance of putting things right, the public at large must understand how our economy really works, and as simply as possible. This should be a step in the right direction.

With the fight against bank charges, we've got hold of the elephant's tail - best usher it back into the cage before we get dragged too far...

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The Future of Banking Commission

• The Future of Banking Commission aims to put the wider interests of society at the heart of financial reform
• Chaired by the Rt Hon David Davis MP, with the Rt Hon John McFall MP and Dr Vince Cable MP taking part
• Find out how you can get involved and have your say on the future of banking

To make sure consumer views are heard by The Future of Banking Commission, Which? is hosting The Which? Big Banking Debate, culminating in a live event on the evening of Thursday 4 February. This will allow the general public to have a say in how the banking system should change.
Which? chief executive, Peter Vicary-Smith, says, "Ordinary people are still feeling the repercussions of the financial crisis yet their voice has so far been missing from the debate about how to rebuild our banking system.
"Everyone uses banking services in some form or another so it’s only right that the public has a say in how banks can better serve society."
Your chance to be part of The Which? Big Banking Debate

• You can be part of this exciting event and speak directly to this influential commission. To attend, email us and put 'Big Banking Debate' as the subject of your message. It will be held in central London on Thursday 4 February between 5 and 8pm, but the venue is still to be confirmed.

• If you're unable to attend, you can still have your say. We'd like to hear your views on the financial crisis, what you think should be done now or what should be on the agenda of The Future of Banking Commission. If you have an opinion on the future of banking that you'd like to share, email us with 'Banking Commission' as the subject.

The Future of Banking Commission

The Which? Big Banking Debate is part of a broader scheme called The Future of Banking Commission, which will be the first report to look at the financial crisis from the point of view of normal people and the banking industry.
As well as the Which? Big Banking Debate, the commission will consist of three further events early this year where bankers, politicians, regulators, trade unions and business leaders will give evidence. A report will then be published later in the year.
Its aims are to:

• Listen to people's concerns about banking
• Listen to the views and concerns of industry and regulators
• Enable the restoration of public trust and confidence in the banking system

We'll be taking our findings to the government after the 2010 general election to show whoever is in power how people want the financial crisis to be tackled.
Restoring trust between the public and banks

The Future of Banking Commission will enable ordinary people, bankers, politicians, regulators and business leaders to get together to discuss the culture and regulation of the banking sector. We believe this is needed to restore trust between the public and the banks.
Rt Hon David Davis MP, Rt Hon John McFall MP and Dr Vince Cable MP have all signed up to the commission along with Which? chief executive Peter Vicary-Smith.
Other members include Philip Augar (formerly a Group Managing Director at Schroders’ and now a writer on the financial services industry), Clare Spottiswoode (former Director General of OFGAS), David Pitt-Watson (Chair, Hermes Focus Asset Management) and Roger Bootle (Managing Director Capital Economics). The Rt Rev Christopher Jamison (Abbot of Worth) will act as an adviser.

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this meeting is on the 4th Feb in London 5-8pm. you need to register your interest now if you want to attend.

Otherwise you can participate by sending your views via their website

Be part of it - Join The Which? Big Banking Debate

Whether you can make it to the event or not, you can get involved and speak directly to this influential commission.
Attend the live debate

Register your interest in attending the Big Banking Debate. It will be held in Victoria, central London on Thursday 4 February between 5 and 8pm.
Have your say

If you're unable to attend, you can still have your say. We'd like to hear your views on the financial crisis, what you think should be done now or what should be on the agenda of The Future of Banking Commission. If you have an opinion on the future of banking tell us about it now.

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Consumers urged to join Which? banking debate - MoneySavingExpert News

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For a blackberry friendly version: http://prtv.msgfocus.com/q/1NjCG3fRr2wNDP/text-version
For a web version: http://prtv.msgfocus.com/q/1NjCG3fRr2wNDP/wv

BIG BANKING DEBATE
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The Programme (Thursday 4 February, 17:00- 20:00)

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I'm most excited about meeting Dermot

[Tools]

Now I have the right bloody thread, posting to confirm I will be there also.

[EXC]

You going to the OFT meet too?

[Tools]

Yes and Hausfields if that is possible

[Amethyst]

John McFall MP, Chairman of the Treasury Select Committee, has announced he will not be contesting the next general election. Mr McFall, Labour MP for Dunbartonshire, has been Chair of the TSC since 2001 and has led the Committee's inquiries into a number of high profile issues.
He published the following statement on his website:
John McFall MP has announced that he will not be contesting the next General Election for the Labour & Co-operative Party in West Dunbartonshire.
At a meeting of his Constituency Party AGM tonight he said:
"After twenty three years representing my local area in Westminster and having reached normal retirement age, I see this as a natural time to move on and explore other areas of interest.
"I have been honoured and privileged to represent the Labour & Co-operative Party in West Dunbartonshire and I will continue to pledge my support to its future political success, both locally and nationally.
"In my capacity as MP for Dumbarton and subsequently West Dunbartonshire, I have been privileged to work with so many dedicated groups and individuals in the pursuit of improving the lives of everyone in our area. I have nothing but the highest regard for all who dedicate themselves to enhancing the quality of life in our local communities. It has been my privilege to work alongside them and with I wish them well in their continued endeavours on behalf of people in the area."
http://www.johnmcfall.com/news.aspx?i_PageID=109638

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Tools and I attended this after EXC, Tools and I, met with the OFT yesterday which you can read his breif account of here - Legal Beagles - View Single Post - OFT v Banks Judgment 25th November 2009 - 9.45am- Supreme Court - Test case

It was a great night (if you are interested in what people want for the future of banking that is)

Around 250 people attended the evening at the Royal Horticultural Halls between 5pm and 8pm last night. We arrived for Coffee, and nibbles , and were seated on round tables of around 10 per table each table with a 'facilitator' from Which?.

It was a fantastic way for the 'future of banking commission' to collect data from a range of consumers about their thoughts on banking.

Speaking were Dermot Murnahan(newsreader chappy), David Davies MP, Peter Vicary Smith (head of Which?), David Pitt-Watson (David Pitt-Watson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) and Philip Augar (ex banker turned writer @ FSA) and another couple peeps who I forget their names.

The overall messages which came out of the evening were

• People want the ''UTILITY'' banks (that word was used a lot!) ie the RETAIL side of banking seperated from the Investment side of banking. (read The Turner Report and google Glass-Steagall if u want more info on this idea)
• People want banks to be broken back up to smaller units.
• People want a return to proper customer service and the traditional 'bank manager'
• People want Fairer Charges, greater control and better transparency.
• People want better Regulation.

We heard from people who have never had problems with their banks and who are primarily in credit, who don't want to see an end to free banking (something being addressed in the Financial Services Bill forcing every bank to offer at least ONE freeifincredit current account and ONE free savings account which pays interest) and people who have lost their homes through the actions of the banks.

A LOT of ideas were put forward, one being an independant 'consumer' on the board of each bank, banks billing people for their accounts rather than taking their fees directly, better education in schools and universitys, plain english contracts (being address by the OFT market study announced yesterday) and so on. I presume Which? will be writing up the event and I'll link to that when they do.

We also spoke to Dominic Lindley who has request we put our submissions into the commission (so this will tie in with the work we are doing for the OFT PCA future of banking reports).

There was a 'comments' board which we wrote a fair few of our issues on, all our notes and discussions have gone to the commission to be compiled to go to 'the next government'. There was also a VOXBox thingy (where you talk into a camera with your views)

Yes it might of been a 'marketing' event and to make it look like something could be done when really not a lot can, but I think it was worthwhile and is worth keeping an eye on the Future of Banking commission.

On the way out we had a glass of wine and got given a goody bag of which? stuff and vouchers

A lovely lady we were chatting to, who has seen her pension pot dwindle and really misses having 'customer service' wrote down the lyrics to an old 'worker's rights song' that just seems appropriate for the theme of the evening ....



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Piccie of meeeeeeeee when we first arrived

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more piccies from WHICH? site

notice anything lol (Tools is a cheeky git !)

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Report from Which?

Eight in ten people (81%) don't think that banks are changing for the better following the financial crisis, says Which?

This was just one of the revelations to come from the Which? Big Banking Debate, held in London last Thursday. The debate, which was attended by over 300 people, gave the public a unique opportunity to voice their views about the financial crisis and how banks can change for the better.

Nearly three quarters (74%) of those asked said that banks should be broken up to create more competition. 96% said that banks act more in their own interests than that of consumers while almost half (47%) of those asked said that the best way to improve the banks overall would be to separate the retail and wholesale side of banks.

The findings will feed into The Future of Banking Commission, which will be holding its first evidence session tomorrow afternoon at the Riverbank Park Plaza near Westminster. There will be two further sessions on Thursday 25th February and Thursday 18th March. Witnesses include Robert Peston, Mervyn King, Lord Myners and Lord Turner.

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Tuesday 9th February, Riverbank Park Plaza (18 Albert Embankment SE1 7TJ) – 13:30-17:00
David Harker – Citizens Advice
Toynbee Hall – Sian McLean
Adam Philips – Financial Services Consumer Panel
Jeff Prestridge – Mail on Sunday
Robert Peston – BBC Business Editor
Will Hutton – The Observer
John Wright – FSB
Brendan Barber - TUC

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Our Events | Future of Banking

Video of the Debate - and of the first committee evidence session

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Ask Vince Cable

Vince Cable, Shadow Chancellor & Deputy Leader of the Liberal Democrats will answer any question on economic policy in an online session on the 25th February. Submit your questions from today online and vote for your favourite for Vince to answer.

"I want to give you, the people whose lives and families our economic decisions affect, the opportunity to ask me any question about the economy and our plans for secure and sustainable growth and recovery."

Ask Vince any question on the economy here >
Visit here to get started >

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24th Feb evidence session inc Mervin King streaming video uploaded - Our Events | Future of Banking

Also feedback from Big Banking debate (2nd video you have to scroll down the yellow bar at side ) this is more related to what we look at - furture of personal accountsk fairness, responsibility etc

emphasis on selling products and commission issues - worth listening to although it is 45 mins long and the sound quality is a bit cakky

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Banks push products on customers - Legal Beagles

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Consumers slam irresponsible banksWhich? debate reveals total lack of trust in banks

08 March 2010

Newly published results from the Which? Big Banking Debate reveal almost total mistrust among consumers in the banks, with 96% of attendees agreeing the banks act more in their own interests than those of their customers.
The event drew more than 300 consumers to discuss the major concerns they had about Britain’s banking sector, and offer views on how to reform the City. Several themes emerged from the night, with irresponsible lending, especially to those who are most vulnerable, a familiar topic. One consumer said: ‘Banks don’t value customers. They view us as cash cows.’
Bail-out is a cop-out

Attendees had little sympathy for the banks, with many believing that the banks will not learn lessons from the financial crisis, partly because they are seen as having benefited from taxpayer-backed bail-outs.
Consumers were angry that they are now unable to get a mortgage or decent interest rates on savings accounts as a result of the banking crisis. One said: ‘Banks were keen to lend to me before, now they don’t want to know.’
A lack of understanding of how to complain to the Financial Ombudsman Service was also raised. One attendee said: ‘The Ombudsman option can be daunting. It should be clear where people can complain and what the procedure is.’
There was also a feeling that the Financial Services Authority, which regulates the City, was not able to keep the ‘powerful’ banks in line. Many consumers felt that there was nothing they could do to change the status quo.
Banks generate confusion

The complexity of products such as pensions was another issue to echo across the Big Banking Debate. Several attendees felt that financial providers deliberately make it hard to understand products, using small print to extract more cash from customers in the form of hidden charges.
Routes to better banking

Attendees were invited to suggest possible solutions to the problems that lead to the banking crisis. Greater transparency was considered essential if trust in the financial system, as was a clear separation of retail banking and investment banking to avoid another bail-out.

This was an idea Bank of England governor Mervyn King advocated at a recent Future of Banking Commission select hearing. The Commission was set up to take evidence from a range of experts on the financial crisis and banking reform. Its remit is to consider the crisis from the consumers’ perspective and report its findings to the government in the summer.
Understanding of financial matters was widely viewed as important. Consumers were adamant that financial education should begin in schools, and it should continue through various life-stages.
It was also suggested that there should be some consumer representation on the boards of the banks.
A ‘fantastic’ event

Former shadow home secretary David Davis MP, who chaired the Debate and is chairman of the Future of Banking Commission said the mass turnout at the end of a working day shows ‘the strength of feeling that is out there.’
Visit the Which? Campaigns page for more on the aims of the Future of Banking Commission.

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Response THE FUTURE OF BANKING COMMISSION

A response by the Building Societies Association Contact: Adrian Coles
Date: 25 Feb 2010
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1. The Building Societies Association (BSA) represents mutual lenders and deposit takers in the UK including all 52 UK building societies. Mutual lenders and deposit takers have total assets of over £390 billion and, together with their subsidiaries, hold residential mortgages of almost £260 billion, 21% of the total outstanding in the UK. They hold over £250 billion of retail deposits, accounting for just under 23% of all such deposits in the UK. They employ approximately 50,000 full and part-time staff and operate through approximately 2,000 branches.

2. This submission looks at the overall position of the mutual sector, answering a number of the questions in the “Areas of investigation” note published by the Commission, and then looks at the current business conditions faced by building societies. The Association would be pleased to provide more detail on request, either in writing or in oral evidence.

The Contribution of Mutuals – the Long-Term Case

3. The general failures of the banking system, and in particular the failure of any of the former building societies that demutualised and converted into banks in the late 1990s to sustain their independence, has focused attention on whether a re-examination of the distribution of businesses between the plc and mutual structures might be beneficial. Both the Labour[1] and Conservative[2] parties have recently taken policy initiatives to examine the contribution that mutual and co-operative structures might make in wide areas of corporate life (including outside the banking sector). Among the motivations for such initiatives, as far as can be determined by the Association, are to look at structures that can potentially increase competition, reduce risk, increase diversity, improve accountability and improve both consumer and employee trust in institutional structures.

4. This first part of the Association’s submission examines the case for mutual institutions in the financial services market and is structured around the themes mentioned above –

• Bio-diversity
• Lower risk appetite
• Competition
• Democracy
• Service and trust
• Long-term perspective

Many of these points are relevant to the questions raised in the “Areas of investigation” document

(i) Bio-diversity

5. There has been a significant debate about the value of diversity – that is different types of institutions competing with each other in a particular market. One of the best analyses is by Andrew Haldane, Executive Director, Financial Stability, at the Bank of England. In his speech Rethinking the Financial Network in April 2009[3], he compared the financial services market to various ecological systems. He pointed out that diversity within the finance system diminished sharply in the run up to 2007. The reliance on the principles of Basel II, the predominance of the ratings agencies, the growth of Value at Risk models and associated stress testing, and the strong trend towards demutualisation all added to the homogeneity of the system.

6. Following an analysis of these factors and comparing them to the collapse of various fish-based ecosystems in the previous 20 years, Mr Haldane went on to say –

"In explaining the collapse in fish and finance, lack of diversity seems to be a common denominator. Within the financial sector, diversity appears to have been reduced for two separate, but related, reasons: the pursuit of return; and the management of risk. The pursuit of yield resulted in a return on equity race among all types of financial firm. As they collectively migrated to high yield activities, business strategies came to be replicated across the financial sector. Imitation became the sincerest form of flattery.
So savings co-operatives transformed themselves into private commercial banks. Commercial banks ventured into investment banking........
Finance became a monoculture. In consequence, the financial system became, like plants, animals and oceans before it, less disease-resistant. When environmental factors changed for the worse, the homogeneity of the financial ecosystem increased materially its probability of collapse."

7. A substantial market share for mutual institutions adds to the diversity of a financial system, whereas a plc mono-culture increases the danger of herd instincts developing. Mutuals bring organisational and regional diversity and add to the richness of the financial services landscape, while reducing (but certainly not removing) the likelihood of all financial institutions behaving in the same (in recent years, wrong) way in a given set of financial conditions.

(ii) Lower Risk Appetite

8. Every institution that lends money runs a risk that it will not be paid back. There is much debate in the mortgage market about how to measure risk. There are plenty of examples of lenders carefully lending on high loan to income ratios or high loan to value ratios and not suffering a sharp increase in arrears. The risks of lending to those with dubious credit histories can also be ameliorated by careful underwriting.

9. Despite the difficulties of the Dunfermline Building Society, mutuals have generally exhibited a lower risk appetite than their competitors. For example, building society mortgage arrears are (proportionately) less than two thirds of those for the market as a whole. On the other side of the balance sheet, building society wholesale funding peaked at just 30% of their total funding; much lower than that for many banks. Building societies have always relied on the generally safer collection of retail deposits rather than what has been seen as the easily interrupted flow of wholesale funding. Moreover, building societies are legally barred from taking positions in the derivatives, foreign currency or commodities markets (ie they are forced away from the “casino” banking model towards the “utility” model by legislation). Building societies had little or no exposure to the American sub-prime market, to collateralised debt obligations, to structured investment vehicles or all the other adventurous areas into which their banking counterparts ventured.

(iii) Competition

10. The Government has a policy objective of “encouraging choice and competition” in financial markets. One way of doing this, according to HM Treasury’s White Paper Reforming Financial Markets[4], of July 2009 “is to encourage and support alternative business models” such as mutuals.

11. Building societies have a natural advantage over plcs in that they do not pay dividends to shareholders and can use the funds thus released to pay higher savings rates, offer lower mortgage rates or enhance service standards. Building societies regularly top the best buy tables, notably those tables that look at consistency of returns to savers over longer periods. The latest (January 2010) statistics from Moneyfacts, for example, showed that for consistent paying savings accounts (over 18 and 36 months, rather than for accounts that are best buys for a week or two and then suffer sharp interest rate cuts) building societies take 72% of the top places. This sort of performance puts pressure on the banks to respond. Similarly pressure from building societies to maintain free access to ATMs early in the last decade made it more difficult for the banks to implement a policy of imposing ATM withdrawal charges.

(iv) Democratic Engagement

12. Not only do mutuals tend to provide the best returns to their members, they also exhibit greater accountability to their customers. This is not surprising. Banks are accountable to their shareholders. Those shareholders demand a rising share price and growth in dividends (although those demands have not been met over the last two years!). Mutuals are not under that pressure. They are, however, under the pressure that they are collectively owned by their customers, and this has an impact on the way building societies behave.

13. Many societies have, for example taken initiatives to ensure that voting turnout at annual general meetings has increased sharply over the last decade. Many building societies hold road shows where directors meet members on a regular basis. A number of societies also have member panels, or member councils who they invite to take a greater interest in the way the business is run.

14. Perhaps most importantly, given the feverish debate about bankers’ pay and bonuses, building societies voluntarily allow members to vote on directors’ remuneration reports at the time of the AGM. Societies regularly obtain 90% approval (among those voting – typically around 20% of the total membership) for these reports suggesting a lack of member concern about the level of building society executive and non-executive pay, in contrast to the banking sector, where it is scarcely credible that a vote of customers on the subject of bankers’ pay would reveal the same degree of support! Mutuals’ accountability to “the man in the street” has kept their feet on the ground in this area, while banks had, and have, their heads in the clouds, divorced from the popular distaste of their remuneration practices. Much more information on societies’ policies in this area can be found in the Association’s publication Conversations with Members: Member Engagement at Building Societies published in January 2010[5].

(v) Service and Trust

15. A further feature of mutuals is that their service levels are perceived as better by their customers than customers perceive the service standards of banks. Research undertaken for the BSA at the end of 2008 (and currently in the process of being repeated) shows much greater levels of customer satisfaction in both savings and mortgages provision and markedly better perceptions of fairness, trust, value for money and willingness to recommend to family and friends than in the banking sector. Much more detail is in the Association’s publication Building Societies: Providing a Better Customer Service[6].

16. This is not surprising. When building society staff serve a customer they know they are serving one of the collective owners of their organisation. This gives a quite different customer relationship than in a shareholder driven organisation.

(vi) The Long-Term Perspective

17. The argument for mutuality (and, indeed, for remutualising former mutuals that struggled to last a decade in the plc sector) is one of long-term thinking. Savings and mortgages are long-term products, while trust and relationships can be built up only over a long period of time. These products and concepts are less suitable for those firms that are subject to the short-term pressures of rapidly gyrating financial markets, share prices and dividend payments. There is a conflict between building longer-term business success while at the same time being integrated in a system that increasingly looks to short-term measures as an indicator of performance.

18. This section started with a quote from Andrew Haldane from the Bank of England and it finishes with one. The following comes from Mr Haldane’s presentation to the Association of Corporate Treasurers in Leeds on 14 September 2009 –

"Mutuality may do a better job of aligning stakeholder incentives than some alternative forms of corporate governance. It is a depressing but telling fact that, of the demutualised former UK building societies, none is today in independent ownership. [Two (Northern Rock and the mortgage business of Bradford & Bingley) have been nationalised. Three (Abbey National, Alliance & Leicester and the savings business of Bradford & Bingley) are owned by a Spanish bank. The Woolwich is a brand owned by Barclays. Halifax, Cheltenham & Gloucester and Birmingham Midshires are now part of the Lloyds Banking Group, a significant proportion of which is owned by the UK Government, while the Bristol & West mortgage brand (owned by Irish Government-supported Bank of Ireland) has disappeared, the savings business having been remutualised by Britannia Building Society in 2005.] Thrift, mutuality and relationship building have long underpinned banking in Yorkshire. These principles went missing in the run-up to the present crisis. The costs of that vanishing act are now all too apparent. In rebuilding the financial system, to create one which is both stable and better able to meet the needs of the real economy, these principles need to be rediscovered. They offer a tried and tested - indeed, trusted - roadmap for the period ahead."
[Information in square parentheses added by the BSA.]

19. The continued and growing success of mutual institutions offers the UK financial services market the opportunity to build on the sector’s already substantial achievements. The prizes are very substantial – a growth in diversity, competition, customer service, democratic accountability and trust, with a reduction in risk. One can cling to the failed experiment of the last few years or return to the “tried and tested – indeed trusted” efforts that served the UK consumer so well in the previous 150 years. The promotion of mutual institutions by the Commission would be a strong, positive statement that the lessons of the last dozen or so years were being learned.

Short-Term Issues

20. Despite the undoubted merits of the mutual model, building societies, like other institutions, are finding current market conditions challenging:

• very low interest rates have drastically reduced individuals’ incentive to save in the form of deposits, restricted the flow of funds to the mortgage market; and squeezed building societies’ margins; the size of the UK deposit and mortgage markets have fallen markedly, in 2009 especially;
• this has been exacerbated by the freezing of wholesale markets, from which the building society sector derives a significant, although declining, minority of its funding;
• requirements to finance a disproportionate share of the Financial Services Compensation Scheme liabilities arising from the bank failures of late 2008 have reduced building society profits significantly. Building societies fund themselves mostly through relatively safe retail deposits; nevertheless those institutions that fund themselves through riskier forms of wholesale funding, but with a relatively small deposit base, pay proportionately less into the FSCS
• the conflicting regulatory and political pressures to increase capital, increase liquidity and to lend more;
• societies face unfair competition from the range of fully nationalised and majority Government-owned banks;
• building society access to Government schemes, such as the Credit Guarantee Scheme and the Asset Protection Scheme is either not available to societies or available on much more onerous terms than for banks;

21. Building societies have performed relatively well during the recession. This is a view not only of societies themselves, but of both the FSA and HM Treasury. The FSA said in June 2009, for example, in A Specialist Sourcebook for Building Societies: Enhanced Supervisory Guidance on Financial and Credit Risk Management [7] –

“Although building societies, like banks, have been weakened by adverse economic and financial market conditions, the extent of that weakening has to date been less than that experienced by the banks – mainly because of the lower exposure to wholesale funding and complex financial instruments.”

22. Similarly, HM Treasury expressed the view in its White Paper Reforming Financial Markets published in July 2009 that –

“The mutual sector has not been immune to the pressures caused by the contraction of global credit markets and the crisis that has ensued, particularly for those firms diversifying into new and high risk lending products – it is the Government’s view, however, that the traditional mutual model has, on the whole, stood up well.”

23. Overall, building societies pursued less adventurous lending policies than their competitors in the mortgage market in the run up to 2007 and their arrears figures are significantly less, proportionately, than the average for the mortgage market as a whole (and building societies remain committed to helping those in arrears in every way they can, viewing repossession as the very last resort in the vast majority of arrears cases).

24. Despite this building societies, like other institutions, are finding current market conditions challenging. In particular, there is now a very limited flow of funds through the principal markets in which building societies operate. In 2006 deposit balances across all banks, building societies and National Savings & Investments rose by £77 billion. In 2009 this figure was just over £30 billion with much of this accounted for by interest credited to accounts – in other words, on a net basis, individuals are putting little new money into their cash savings. The BSA warned early in 2009 that very low interest rates would drastically reduce the incentive to save, and restrict the flow of funds to the mortgage market – unfortunately this prediction has proved to be correct.

25. In the UK mortgage market in 2006 net advances (ie advances after taking account of repayments) amounted to £110 billion. In 2009, the figure was around £12 billion.

26. Profitability is also sharply diminished. In 2008 building societies collectively made a profit of 19 pence for every £100 which they managed. (Figures for 2009 are currently being announced by societies.) Over the previous few years the figure had been very stable at around 33 to 36 pence for every £100 of assets. The figures for 2008 were adversely affected by reduced interest rate margins, lower sales of insurance products (reducing the flow of commission payments) some provisions for loss, and notably, provisions for payments into the Financial Services Compensation Scheme, as building societies bore a significant proportion (as noted above) of the costs of bailing out the failed Bradford & Bingley bank and the failed Icelandic banks. Similarly, the mainstream banking sector is also suffering a sharp reduction in profitability. Profits of the biggest four UK banks (HSBC, Barclays, Lloyds Banking Group and RBS) fell by 78% in their UK retail banking business between the first halves of 2008 and 2009. (Source: bank half yearly statements, analysed by KPMG in UK Banks: Performance Benchmarking Survey, Half Year 2009, page15[8] . Again full year 2009 figures are currently being announced).

27. Building societies (and banks) also suffer from conflicting pressures to increase capital, increase liquidity and to lend more (when funding markets are effectively closed). These ambitions are not compatible.

28. In particular, building societies now have to place between 20% and 25% of the funds they raise in liquidity; (whereas in the prior two years the average liquidity ratio was less than 19%) similarly, banks have been required by the authorities to increase the proportion of liquid assets that they hold since the crisis began. This has the desirable objective of making banks and building societies more resilient to any future funding crises. However, those funds allocated to liquidity cannot simultaneously be lent to customers, be they homebuyers or businesses. The structure of interest rates also means that societies earn less on their liquid assets than they pay to acquire these funds from savers.

29. Similarly, banks and building societies are under pressure to hold increased levels of capital to cover the possibility that they might make further losses on the loans which they currently hold, or might hold in the future. Capital ratios can be increased, most obviously, by restricting the growth of the balance sheet and ensuring that any growth that does take place is concentrated on extremely low risk lending, which requires less of a capital buffer against the possibility of loss. This is achieved in the mortgage market, for example, by asking borrowers for large deposits and not lending to individuals with even the slightest blemish on their credit records. Falling house prices increase the potential losses that might be made in the event of repossession and again this trend again requires consideration of additional capital. Any institution considering ignoring these trends and increasing riskier lending faces the possibility of being downgraded by the credit-rating agencies, thus reducing the supply of wholesale funding further, increasing the cost of those funds that are available, and suffering a declining reputation in the retail market.

30. At the same time building societies face intense, and we believe, unfair competition from the range of fully nationalised or majority Government owned banks, together with National Savings & Investments, all of which are perceived to have explicitly or implicitly a total Government guarantee. Furthermore, the Government’s Debt Management Office is replacing building societies (and banks) in the wholesale market. Local authorities especially used to lend significant sums to building societies (and banks) but have been withdrawing deposits from both sectors.

31. Access to Government schemes such as the Credit Guarantee Scheme (CGS) is either not available to building societies or is available on much restricted terms. The CGS can be used to obtain a Government guarantee only for issues of specific debt securities. But many building societies do not issue debt securities as their funding volumes do not justify the issue overheads – instead they take term deposits from the money market and provide a home for local authority temporary cash surpluses. The CGS would have been the ideal vehicle to provide, in the short term, the additional reassurance that local authorities needed, but because of its restrictive design features it could not be used and this has contributed to a large outflow from building societies of local authority deposits.

32. Where societies are able to access the CGS they are required to pay more than the banks. Nationwide Building Society, for example, has pointed out that, last autumn, it was required to pay 65% more than the Lloyds Bank Group pay to access the CGS and an estimated 35% more than Royal Bank of Scotland. All other societies that qualify for the CGS were required to pay even more than Nationwide.

33. Finally, it is important to bear in mind that all banks and building societies are different; not all are affected by the factors described above equally. The vast majority of building societies remain profitable, and will survive the current difficult environment.
Conclusion.

34. This paper has shown the long-term value of mutual institutions to the UK financial services market. Building societies and other mutuals provide a valuable alternative to mainstream plc banks, offering high service standards, a long-term perspective, democratic accountability to customers, and competitive pricing. Despite the short term challenges they face in the current difficult market conditions the Association is confident that its members will continue to exhibit strong performance for many years into the future.
Notes

1. www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/about_the_cabinet_office/speeches/tjowell/091215-mutuals.aspx
2. www.conservatives.com/~/media/Files/Downloadable%20Files/powertopublicsectorworkers.ashx?dl=true
3. www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/speeches/2009/speech386.pdf
4. www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/reforming_financial_markets.htm
5. www.bsa.org.uk/publications/industrypublications/conversations_with_members.htm
6. www.bsa.org.uk/publications/industrypublications/customer_satisfaction09.htm
7. www.fsa.gov.uk/pages/Library/Policy/CP/2009/09_17.shtml
8. www.kpmg.co.uk/pubs/156161_FIPS_HY_2009_v4ps_Accessible1.pdf

[Amethyst]

BBA RESPONSE

http://www.bba.org.uk/content/1/c6/0...Commission.pdf


Executive summary
In this submission we highlight:
• the international nature of the UK financial services marketplace and the consequent benefits
to the UK economy of hosting this international business;
• the huge scale of the internationally based regulatory reform programme underway, spanning
measures to
o increase the resilience of banks and the financial system in which they operate;
o reduce the potential impact of bank failure;
o improve systemic risk analysis, and;
o the use of macroprudental tools;
• the central role of banks in the economy;
• the UK banking industry’s record on social inclusion, business lending, employment, tax
revenues, export earning and other societal contributions made;
• that the industry appreciates that trust and confidence in financial services has been
impacted by the financial crisis, outline some of the work to date to improve this - such as
improvements in the deposit protection scheme - and our commitment to raising the standard
of customer service;
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• the systemic benefits of size and diversity when it comes to banking organisations but also
our commitment to working towards the creation of an environment in which no organisation
need be viewed as ‘too important to fail’;
• aspects of the way in which banks have brought judgements about sustainability into their
lending decisions and the alignment of the interests of customers, the bank and their
investors;
• our belief that the UK banking industry operates within a competitive environment to which
regulation itself may be a barrier to entry;
• changing practices in corporate governance, remuneration and accountability driven in part
through the Walker review and adherence to the Pittsburgh principles;
• our model for improving the conduct of business regime to the benefit of consumers and
improvements to the system of deposit insurance;
• ongoing work within the industry to simplify product offerings and key themes for customer
responsibility; and
• endnotes on the impact on consumers of reform.



8a. How do we ensure that products are transparent, simple and easy to compare and switch
between, offer value for money and do not levy excessive charges?
8b. What impact would greater regulation of products have on innovation?
The industry is currently working with the Government to consider the potential for the development
of a range of simple transparent products that “do what they say on the tin”. This work will need to
carefully consider the experience of previous initiatives such as stakeholder products and the Basic
Advice regime. In addition we remain broadly supportive of the FSA’s Retail Distribution Review
proposals. We are concerned however that without an associated simplified advice regime the Retail
Distribution Review may have the effect of reducing consumer access to investment advice.
Just as the industry has to be clear about what it is that it offers customers, so consumers also have
to take responsibility for their own financial affairs. Without this mutual responsibility, it will be
difficult for banks to engage with all consumers in a meaningful way about their financial
requirements and the solutions that they can provide. Customers can be expected to want the best
return and standards of service from their banks – and most are generally satisfied. In the same way
as consumers traditionally relied on mantras such as ‘three times salary’ as a rule of thumb for the
mortgage they might be able to take out, there is a need to establish parameters to help consumers
to make the most of their banking; for example keeping PIN numbers secret to protect themselves
from fraud.
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In order for the relationship between banker and customer to work most effectively, customers
should take some actions such as:
• Taking the time to read documents before they sign them;
• Honestly divulging all relevant information when applying for financial products;
• Reading and reflect on communications received;
• Borrowing responsibly i.e. only what they can comfortably afford; and
• Informing their banks/financial providers of changing circumstances /hardship.
Additionally, consumers might be encouraged to:
• Proactively educate themselves so they are more financially aware;
• Review their circumstances periodically to ensure financial products purchased remain
appropriate for their lifestyle; and
• Be more security aware/conscious to minimise the risk of fraud, for example, have antivirus
software on their PC

[Amethyst]

From 1pm today, you can watch the next session of the Future of Banking Commission. Today's witnesses include Lord Myners, Lord Turner and Hector Sants from the FSA. Watch it live here.

[Amethyst]

JUST TO BRING THIS UP TO DATE

http://commission.bnbb.org/banking/s...ion_report.pdf

15. We are in favour of exploring further a number of specific
measures that could be taken by a regulator with a dedicated
remit for consumer protection:

1 Ensure customers can easily transfer products and
accounts.

2 Ensure customers with overdrafts are not overcharged.

3 Set ‘default’ settings on services, products and accounts in
the customer’s best interest.

4 Allow customers to choose to ‘opt-in’ to unauthorised
overdrafts.

5 Ensure banks do not take advantage of existing
customers.

6 Act to prevent obscure charges or unfair, asymmetrical
contract terms where these are present in financial
products and services.

7 Ensure full and transparent disclosure on all products.

8 Consider introducing standard products for some basic
services which all retail providers have to provide, and
a common form in plain English to explain the key terms
so that customers can easily compare products provided
by different providers on the same basis.

9 Empower customers to seek compensation via a collective
redress process.

10 Promote bank retail depositors to rank ahead of all other
creditors, including bondholders.

11 Ensure consumer deposit accounts clearly highlight
whether or not they are covered by the Financial
Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS).

12 Prohibit those commission structures which incentivise
mis-selling.

13 Firewall conflicts of interest, and if the conflicts are
intractable, force structural change to address the problem

[EXC]

Apparently a Barclays executive blandly told the commission that a third Barclays' customers were ''less than happy'' with the bank. I'm not sure how many customers that represents - millions? - in this scathing article on the treatment of an elderly couple.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/art...s-miracle.html

Apologies if you are bored with reading about banks behaving badly. It's hardly news. But bear with me. What follows describes maltreatment of customers that is particularly cynical - even for a High Street bank.

An elderly couple, risk-averse and not in good health, walked into their Barclays branch with the proceeds of a property sale. They ought to have been given what they explicitly asked for - a deposit account.

But Barclays, which has a notorious record in this area, was hell-bent on selling the couple a risky stock market fund whose pitfalls salesmen failed to explain.

Barclays also failed to explain that it would profit far more from selling this fund than it would from giving the couple the basic, no-risk savings account they requested.

If it had disclosed this, these customers, who are no fools, might have been immediately alerted to the danger. As it was, it didn't take long for the couple to discover the risks they had been exposed to. They protested. And this is when Barclays' customer service came into its own.

Not content with misadvising, misleading and distressing these people, the bank then fobbed them off - again and again.

By not giving an inch, Barclays eventually forced the couple to take their complaint to the Financial Ombudsman Service where an adjudicator found in their favour and told Barclays to repay what had been lost - a sum in the tens of thousands of pounds, plus interest. Arrogant Barclays did not comply.

That was the situation when, on Monday, Financial Mail contacted Barclays, to ask about the case.

Let us be clear. Barclays' complaints team (it says it has such a thing) has sat on all the information regarding this couple for seven months. Last November, Barclays wrote to them, saying: 'We fully investigate all aspects of the concerns raised... My investigation into your complaint is now complete.'

But on Thursday Barclays rang Financial Mail to say it would settle the claim in full as instructed by the FOS. What reason did Barclays give for its U-turn?

There was absolutely no admission of wrongdoing. Oh no. And it certainly wasn't repaying the customers because the FOS had ordered it to.

Supremely confident Barclays is above making errors or deferring to the FOS's adjudicators, it seems.

No, the reason Barclays gave for finally compensating the couple was 'compassion'. It said: 'On compassionate grounds we are providing compensation as recommended by the Financial Ombudsman.'

Barclays' statement dripped with contempt for the customers it had wronged. I asked Barclays what triggered the sudden flush of human kindness. No answer.

In the absence of any new information regarding this case, we must assume that the wells of Barclays' compassion, having been dry for months, gushed forth suddenly. Since Monday, in fact. A miracle!

Worst, though, was Barclays' refusal to apologise. Not the faintest whisper, not even a muttering through gritted teeth of sorry.

In its statement to Financial Mail, Barclays said: 'Complaints surrounding these investments are fully investigated. We are dedicated to resolving these cases swiftly, fairly and with sensitivity.' 'Swiftly', then, means at least seven months.

'Fairly' means your complaint will be brushed off, rejected and shoved to the FOS, whose recommendations Barclays might well ignore.

And 'sensitivity'? That means Barclays won't give a damn about properly evaluating your complaint - unless you get the Press involved.

On Pages 80 and 81 you can read in more detail about the case outlined above. There we report on the findings, published today, of the Future of Banking Commission, whose work Financial Mail has been following and supporting.

Barclays' disgraceful treatment of mainly elderly customers to whom it has mis-sold risky investments is just one example of how a bank serially fails its customers.

As the Commission has found in its powerful conclusions, there is a culture in the banking industry that has, to an astounding degree, failed to put customers' interests first.

A telling moment in the commission's work came when Barclays' chief executive 'of global retail', Antony Jenkins, was interviewed.

When quizzed, he admitted that a third of Barclays' customers were 'less than satisfied' with the bank.

I remember Jenkins' tone of voice as he confirmed this fact. He spoke casually, almost complacently.

Running a business where a third of your customers are unhappy is an entirely orthodox banking practice, it seems.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/art...#ixzz0qtVaxykg