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    Hiya, I'm new here, just joined this second. I havn't a clue about law just bits and bobs i've picked up. I was wondering if anyone knows a solicitor who would be prepared to take on the DWP as all the solicitors I've tried claim they don't do it, or don't have the expertise to deal with such matters. I know they're all fobbing me off, I know they are all corrupt just like the whole legal sysytem. I want to sue for fraud and harassment. I am prepared to go it alone if I can't find an honest solicitor with some balls. I'd be so incredibly grateful if anyone can help or give me some advice, Thanks a lot Robert :-)

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    I think before anyone can either recommend a solicitor or give advice that more information is needed, so please, pull up a chair, take a deep breath and start from the beginning and don't leave anything out.
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    lol id be here all day, but basically, ive been founf fit for work 6 times after ATOS medicals, I've won one appeal which was the first, every one after that my money was reinstated after i sent a letter, they didn't go to appeal. The last medical I attended wither the doctor or someone in the benefit office changed all the answers i gave, which is fraud. I mentioned all this in the letter and had my money renstated once again. ^ times is harassement. But anyway, After i told them about the fraud comitted, there was no investigation or anything. I have just received a WCA for and expect to be called for another medical which i will not be attending, and to be honest, they have a cheek sending me for another medical after the said fraud. I will not tollerate this. Like i said, id go it alone if need be. I simply wont tollerate being treated like this. As a freeman of this country I have rights. Seems to me all solicitors and the whole legal system is corrupt, and i will fight them to my last breath I swear. Thanks btw for your quick reply :-)

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    Bumping for more help
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    Quote Originally Posted by slashpage View Post
    Hiya, I'm new here, just joined this second. I havn't a clue about law just bits and bobs i've picked up. I was wondering if anyone knows a solicitor who would be prepared to take on the DWP as all the solicitors I've tried claim they don't do it, or don't have the expertise to deal with such matters. I know they're all fobbing me off, I know they are all corrupt just like the whole legal sysytem. I want to sue for fraud and harassment. I am prepared to go it alone if I can't find an honest solicitor with some balls. I'd be so incredibly grateful if anyone can help or give me some advice, Thanks a lot Robert :-)
    I suspect that you will find difficulty in finding a lawyer who will take on Atos.

    You might find it easier to sue the "healthcare professional" (sic) who carried out your "assessment".
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    These http://www.publiclawsolicitors.co.uk/ are the solicitors who represented Cait Reilly in the Poundland case and they have represented other claimants in high-profile cases against the DWP.

    You may want to contact your MP about the behaviour of DWP too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringerSpaniel View Post
    These http://www.publiclawsolicitors.co.uk/ are the solicitors who represented Cait Reilly in the Poundland case and they have represented other claimants in high-profile cases against the DWP.

    You may want to contact your MP about the behaviour of DWP too.
    Thanks, ill try that tomorrow, im knackered, i spent the last two days on the phone trying to find a soliciror. Is it just me or does anyone else find it a tad strange that no solicitor is prepared to take on the dwp or atos? Over the past few days the most important things ive learned are 1. A solicitors first duty is to the crown, not the client. 2. There is no real justice. And 3. The whole system is corrupt.

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    A few things you might wish to consider -

    1. Forget about Freeman On The Land theories. They don't work;
    2. The DWP employee who changed the answers you had given not only committed fraud, he/she also potentiallly committed forgery;
    3. If you know how the law works, you can make it work to your advantage;
    4. Justice is there. It is a case of standing up for it and not giving in.
    5. Yes. We know there is corruption in the system, but by exposing it, bringing it out into the public arena and embarrassing those who are allowing it to flourish, it will be overcome and stamped out;
    6. Never say never;
    7. Never give up.

    I have found out myself just how corrupt, incompetent and mind-bogglingly stupid the DWP and ATOS can be. Ask your MP to obtain forms for referring the matter to the Parliamentary Ombudsman should this become necessary.
    Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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    If you have to go for another medical can you take somebody in with you, so if they do change the answers yet again then you have somebody who will be able to offer evidence that they did this?

    The whole ATOS involvement is a nightmare and many vunbersble people are victims but just don't have the strength or ability to fight against it.

    Well done for standing up to them and having the strength to fight. Good luck with your battle and I wish every success in your quest. I'm sure everybody at LB's will support you anyway we can and would really like to see you victorious xxx

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    Conspiracy theories are not going to help you or make your case more credible. The vast majority of solicitors have not got the experience to handle a case against the DWP and ATOS because this is a specialised field of work and not something that you can simply dip a toe into and try it out. That does not mean that they are corrupt, in cahoots with the DWP, or against you. It means that they are unable to take the case either because they (a) do not have the experience to do so, or (b) if they do, they are not satisfied that there is a case to be made. The vast majority of lawyers also require paying - taking on a case of this sort could be very costly, and if there is no prospect of you paying, then in most cases someone else has to. Few lawyers will take pro bono cases directly from prospective clients.

    If you are unable to fund a case yourself, which I suspect is the case, you would need to have your case recommended to a pro bono panel for either solcitors or barristers. The starting point for this is generally your local CAB or Law Centre who make the initial assessment and recommendation.

    http://www.lawworks.org.uk/?gclid=CN...FavHtAod5SwAsw
    http://www.barprobono.org.uk/
    http://www.probonouk.net/index.php?id=home

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzybrain View Post
    If you have to go for another medical can you take somebody in with you, so if they do change the answers yet again then you have somebody who will be able to offer evidence that they did this?

    The whole ATOS involvement is a nightmare and many vunbersble people are victims but just don't have the strength or ability to fight against it.

    Well done for standing up to them and having the strength to fight. Good luck with your battle and I wish every success in your quest. I'm sure everybody at LB's will support you anyway we can and would really like to see you victorious xxx
    Thanks fuzzybrain,
    Nah, I'm not going to any more atos medicals. Whoever changed my answers probably did it long after I'd left I'll prolly once again have my money cut of course, but i couldn't live with myself if i gave in. I'd sooner die than be a slave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slashpage View Post
    Thanks fuzzybrain,
    Nah, I'm not going to any more atos medicals. Whoever changed my answers probably did it long after I'd left I'll prolly once again have my money cut of course, but i couldn't live with myself if i gave in. I'd sooner die than be a slave.
    I'm sorry but with the best will in the world, this is foolish. I don't think you'll find many people, and pretty much nobody here, who think ATOS is any good, and few people trust their agenda. But refusing to attend appointments which are a requirement simply means that your own failure to co-operate is on record and completely undermines any case you may bring. You aren't at all likely to find any lawyer who will represent an unco-operative claimant. As fuzzybrain has suggested, if you distrust them because you believe that they will change information, take someone with you who can act as an independant witness to what was said and done.

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    Atos runs this contract for 2 reasons only
    1,
    To make them a profit
    2, To save the government money
    People no mattere how disabled dont matter
    This is camerons britain
    Nothing else

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloise01 View Post
    Conspiracy theories are not going to help you or make your case more credible. The vast majority of solicitors have not got the experience to handle a case against the DWP and ATOS because this is a specialised field of work and not something that you can simply dip a toe into and try it out. That does not mean that they are corrupt, in cahoots with the DWP, or against you. It means that they are unable to take the case either because they (a) do not have the experience to do so, or (b) if they do, they are not satisfied that there is a case to be made. The vast majority of lawyers also require paying - taking on a case of this sort could be very costly, and if there is no prospect of you paying, then in most cases someone else has to. Few lawyers will take pro bono cases directly from prospective clients.

    If you are unable to fund a case yourself, which I suspect is the case, you would need to have your case recommended to a pro bono panel for either solcitors or barristers. The starting point for this is generally your local CAB or Law Centre who make the initial assessment and recommendation.

    http://www.lawworks.org.uk/?gclid=CN...FavHtAod5SwAsw
    http://www.barprobono.org.uk/
    http://www.probonouk.net/index.php?id=home
    Thanks for those links, but i have to say that i resent the conspiracy theories ref, I'm not some nutter you know :-P I may not know enough about law to handle myself in court, but i certainly know enough to know its all corrupt. The solicitors i spend two days trying to find were all advertised as welfare rights solicitors, now cmon? You can't exist in a corrupt system without being corrupt yourself. But you probably know all this anyway, you probably know all about maritime admarilty law and how we're all conned. How we're all being bought and sold on the stock market? You said it yourself, its all about the money. Well when it becomes more about money than the actual law and the welfare of the people, then it is inherantly corrupt

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    When you get down of your soap box you will realise that you have been given some good advice here, now my advice to you is take the advice you have been given, go to the next assessment and stop trying to cut your nose off to spite your face, all you will succeed in doing is causing yourself more financial troubles and make yourself feel even worse.
    No ones calling you a nutter, Eloise is giving you the best advice available and for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloise01 View Post
    I'm sorry but with the best will in the world, this is foolish. I don't think you'll find many people, and pretty much nobody here, who think ATOS is any good, and few people trust their agenda. But refusing to attend appointments which are a requirement simply means that your own failure to co-operate is on record and completely undermines any case you may bring. You aren't at all likely to find any lawyer who will represent an unco-operative claimant. As fuzzybrain has suggested, if you distrust them because you believe that they will change information, take someone with you who can act as an independant witness to what was said and done.
    Thanks for your concern :-P hehe but seriously, as a human being I can't tollerate it. I know you think me foolish, and i understand. But you have to understand that some people actually would be prepared to die for their freedom. An like i said before, taking someone wouldnt make a blind bit of diff, they probably changed my answers much later on.

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    I admire anyone who wants to take on such a mammoth fight as this ,being a pessimist i could not even begin to fight the establishment>i believe that the government does not give a monkeys about most of us the weak and vulnerable are an in convience to them noy partie funds from us ,
    Good luck with your fight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    When you get down of your soap box you will realise that you have been given some good advice here, now my advice to you is take the advice you have been given, go to the next assessment and stop trying to cut your nose off to spite your face, all you will succeed in doing is causing yourself more financial troubles and make yourself feel even worse.
    No ones calling you a nutter, Eloise is giving you the best advice available and for free.
    I do appreciate all the info people have given me, i really do, but with all due respect, how am I supposed to do all this when I very rarely leave the house? I'm going to do my best of course, but its only just hitting me just how **** the legal system is (pardon my french) If i seem a little tense at times, you must forgive me. I'm just under a little bit of stress at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wales01man View Post
    I admire anyone who wants to take on such a mammoth fight as this ,being a pessimist i could not even begin to fight the establishment>i believe that the government does not give a monkeys about most of us the weak and vulnerable are an in convience to them noy partie funds from us ,
    Good luck with your fight
    Thanks :-) that really does mean a lot :-)

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    Thanks for those links, but i have to say that i resent the conspiracy theories ref, I'm not some nutter you know :-P I may not know enough about law to handle myself in court, but i certainly know enough to know its all corrupt. The solicitors i spend two days trying to find were all advertised as welfare rights solicitors, now cmon? You can't exist in a corrupt system without being corrupt yourself. But you probably know all this anyway, you probably know all about maritime admarilty law and how we're all conned. How we're all being bought and sold on the stock market? You said it yourself, its all about the money. Well when it becomes more about money than the actual law and the welfare of the people, then it is inherantly corrupt
    And that isn't a conspiracy theory? You have no cause or evidence to say that they refused to consider you as a client because they are corrupt. That is a serious and nasty allegation to make.

    By the way - I have bills to pay too, so do not dare to say that it is more about money than anything else - that is not and never has been true for me or for many of my colleagues. But we are not charities and do not provide our services free to all comers - otherwise it would be us who were starving. If your soapbox is more important to you than listening to advice, the feel free to rant.

    I was trying to help you. But I'm out. Being a "corrupt lawyer" you wouldn't want any help from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wales01man View Post
    Atos runs this contract for 2 reasons only
    1, To make them a profit
    2, To save the government money
    Phew - that's reassuring...

    One might otherwise believe they were preparing for Aktion T4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slashpage View Post
    Nah, I'm not going to any more atos medicals.
    No. Go to the medical. Do your best to appear a clueless victim. Hope that they fall for it and alter the answers again.

    Because there's a little something that you didn't tell Atos about ... http://www.onlinespyshop.co.uk/

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    Quote Originally Posted by CleverClogs View Post
    One might otherwise believe they were preparing for Aktion T4.
    Liverpool Care Pathway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enquirer View Post
    Liverpool Care Pathway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloise01 View Post
    And that isn't a conspiracy theory? You have no cause or evidence to say that they refused to consider you as a client because they are corrupt. That is a serious and nasty allegation to make.

    By the way - I have bills to pay too, so do not dare to say that it is more about money than anything else - that is not and never has been true for me or for many of my colleagues. But we are not charities and do not provide our services free to all comers - otherwise it would be us who were starving. If your soapbox is more important to you than listening to advice, the feel free to rant.

    I was trying to help you. But I'm out. Being a "corrupt lawyer" you wouldn't want any help from me.
    People are dying because of the DWP and ATOS, and no solicitor is prepared to take them on??? Doesn''t that seem a little odd to you???
    Oh I have plenty of proof that the system is corrupt, and if that's such a serious and nasty allegation then I expect I'll be getting sued then? Well I'd gladly share the evidence in court. But then there'd be no point really, I mean, what are you going to sue me for? I have no money, and you're welcome to my knackered dvd player and 4 year old laptop.
    And if you're such a good solicitor why did you use the expression "Cconpiracy Theorist?" It was one of the first things you said. It's a very well known way of trying to put someone down, to make them look stupid, you know, the tin foil hats etc? So tell me, why do such a thing to someone who was obviously in some distress? Sure, I'll get off my soap box, as soon as you come down off your pedestal.

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