My employers want me to see private HR investigato for a case at tribunalr

[Eloise01]

Re: My employers want me to see private HR investigato for a case at tribunalr

Have to disagree on this one. I don't see it as inevitable, or appropriate, that the OP should suffer due to declining to co-operate with an outside party appointed by the body with whom they are in dispute.

Nevertheless, it is a fact. Alleged delays aside, the OP submitted a grievance and the employer has appointed someone to investigate that. A tribunal will consider a refusal to cooperate negatively. In fact they can refuse to hear the case until the employer has completed their grievance procedure.

[Kingskid]

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Helllo everyone. Apologies if you have already seen this. I decided to post a summary here. One person has very kindly responded to the other thread. I went and the report is full of misrepresentations and quoting out of context. I am meant to sign this but I cannot. Questions and answers have been modified and even punctuations omitted to give a different meaning.

I followed this investigation interview with my own written account of my own summary of my discussion and also included aspects which I felt were VERY important to the upcoming tribunal which the investigator conveniently chose not to touch including a major harassment incident which was reported and nothing was done about it.


I am being asked to sign this as his summary "which is not verbatim" (according to the report) but I can only append to the investigator's comments at the very end with my own comments.

I wish to refuse to sign it as it is not an accurate reflection of the interview.

1. The typist was "external" - Can I ask for her full transcript to check with my audio?

2. I highlighted concerns as to the VERY long time it took to get the report. I know why now. Can I request a different "independent" HR consultant to listen to the interview along with the transcript and give their own opinion that is not biased towards the employer?

3. Can I insist on him using my own written discussion as part of his report. Clearly, he does not want to do this and it must be part of his submission as I had requested a written investigation from the onset; I was told it was agreed to fit in with my own needs but now they want to dismiss my written addition???

Please if anyone has been at this stage before, I would appreciate your views.

Thank you so much.

[Kingskid]

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One thing I would comment on in relation to the OP is that what isn't clear here is what form the alleged discrimination has taken, and why this has been so prolonged a matter. As I understand it, the OP has already had one solicitor previously which they dismissed, and has also dismissed their union from representing them, and is now represented by another solicitor (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=4489985) and this matter has been going on for over a year. That is an uncommonly lengthy period of time for a dispute of this nature to have not progressed to any degree at all, and to only now be lodging a legal claim. Whilst that may not, in itself, be relevant, there is clearly an enormous back story here, and it is exceptionally difficult to provide accurate advice on so little information.

Thanks for your observation that it has gone for a long time on MSE and indeed on this forum. Indeed a lot of correspondence has gone on and by two solicitors, I meant mine and theirs; where they were asking to have a compromise agreement which was not at all in my favour. I am grateful for that link because I sincerely did not even remember I posted on both my support forums and I have simply had so much to struggle with on this case. It seems that the efforts are being made to cover up and this has led to the delay; with hope of wearing me out.

I was actually being coerced out of my job. I am so sorry it takes me time to get round to deal with the responses or write as much as I would like for health and confidentiality reasons. Yes, I did stop the union when it emerged that they were not supportive, there was a major conflict of interest as one of the key individuals involved is best friends with the Union. Sadly, it would appear that I am not the first to take flight when the Union failed to act in the employee (member's) best interest until it was too late. It has actually contributed to the length of this particular case.

I only hope that the little or much I am able to supply would be enough to have some general advice and I sincerely appreciate what support has been provided. It helps.

I have pmed a few helpful posters and if any one wishes to ask specific questions I will answer them. Thanks.

[Eloise01]

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I have answered these latest points on the other thread. It does become quite confusing trying to keep up with multiple threads - can admin do anything to merge them?

I am not sure what you mean by PM'ing helpful posters, but I would advise you to remain on the thread and not take debate off thread. The LB convention is that discussion should stay on the threads unless there is permission from site admin to take matters off thread for specific reasons of confidentiality or maintaining anonymity. This is a practice which I observe, because it means that there is outside scrutiny of what is said to posters. There have been instances where some apparently self- professed experts have made fundamental and basic errors in law via PM and misadvised people as to their situation. You do not know who or what I am; you do not know who or what anyone else is. There is a risk of recieving poor or incorrect advice at any time, but at least if others see it there is debate and challenge. And, of course, there's is always the risk, and I see it happen often, that people decide what to believe based on what they want to hear, and not on what is reality.

[Kingskid]

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Dear Eloise01

Thank you.

I agree that I do not know who you or others are, but I can see the number of thanks and other posts which gives me an idea of people's area of expertise or even interest in my case My pms to 'helpful people', was simply to nudge those (like you) who were actually kind enough to give their views previously; no more. I simply cut and paste the very same short message referring them to the thread. Maybe I am as inpatient as I am anxious and stressed.

I realise that views are just views no more; although I take no view positive or negative lightly as it enables me to see beyond my own perception and it is unbiased as you do not know me either. It may even be a from a non employment law specialistic or HR but based on the 'school of experience'.

However, I take your point about the rules. I am only a puppy . I will certainly keep the debate on the thread as you have kindly advised and just hope to actually get some input and be patient while I anticipate the reading of my post and any response.

Many thanks and if it is possible for admin to merge it, please do and I will appreciate if it is subscribed so that I can get notification. That is also noted for the future.

Kind regards.

[Inca]

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Aside from Eloises valid points re taking threads off forum,it defeats novices like myself from learning anything.It's very frustrating to be following a thread for it to be suddenly gone or come to a full stop with no visible resolution (security/confidentiality issues notwithstanding of course,,if Admin feel a thread should be 'shielded' then of course I respect that).

[Kingskid]

Re: My employers want me to see private HR investigato for a case at tribunalr

Aside from Eloises valid points re taking threads off forum,it defeats novices like myself from learning anything.It's very frustrating to be following a thread for it to be suddenly gone or come to a full stop with no visible resolution (security/confidentiality issues notwithstanding of course,,if Admin feel a thread should be 'shielded' then of course I respect that).

Sorry you feel so strongly about it.

I do not remeber seeing any comments from you with regards to my earlier posts so I am afraid I am not aware who is following; I am more aware of who is responding, giving their views so that I too can learn.

I am probably more of a novice, a puppy AND I have already made my point very clearly in my response to Eloise's valid points.

Thank you.

[Eloise01]

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I appreciate you aren't going off the thread, and don't want to labout the point but:

Dear Eloise01

Thank you.

I agree that I do not know who you or others are, but I can see the number of thanks and other posts which gives me an idea of people's area of expertise or even interest in my case The number of thanks doesn't really help you judge expertise at all. People thank for all sorts of reasons (including, it sometimes appears, just for the fact that they posted at all!). The number of thanks does not reflect the quality of the advice given - or even that advice was given at all. A poster who recently made three very basic and fundamental errors in employment law, actually has more "thanks" than I have! My pms to 'helpful people', was simply to nudge those (like you) who were actually kind enough to give their views previously; no more. I simply cut and paste the very same short message referring them to the thread. Maybe I am as inpatient as I am anxious and stressed.

I realise that views are just views no more; although I take no view positive or negative lightly as it enables me to see beyond my own perception and it is unbiased as you do not know me either. It may even be a from a non employment law specialistic or HR but based on the 'school of experience'.

However, I take your point about the rules. I am only a puppy . I will certainly keep the debate on the thread as you have kindly advised and just hope to actually get some input and be patient while I anticipate the reading of my post and any response.

Many thanks and if it is possible for admin to merge it, please do and I will appreciate if it is subscribed so that I can get notification. That is also noted for the future.

Kind regards.

I think that, for whatever reason, you must accept that you are choosing to severely limit any advice that can be given - because nobody knows what is going on! You encountered the same comments on your other thread on MSE. I and others can only advise you on the limited basis of a specific circumstance out of context. So I can, as I have, tell you how a tribunal approached a particular matter, e.g. if you refuse to engage in appropriate processes they will hold that against you, or that if there is conflicting evidence they will test that evidence to determine what interpretation of it they consdier most reliable. That isn't very helpful I know, and I appreciate it isn't really the "support" you want. But it is the only realistic support you will get that isn't sympathy, whilst we have nothing to base our advice on. If sympathy is ok and all you want, then that is fine. But it is a very different thing from something you can use in a legal context.

[Kingskid]

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Thank you

[Inca]

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