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    hey, what it is North Cheshire Hospitals has decided to change our working hours without notification, at the looks of things we owe the trust a possible 7.5 hrs every month which we think would make a 6 day working week, the Unions havent been involved, the staff havent been consulted, my question is this, where do we stand?
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  • #2
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    to change your working hours the employer would need to do a consultation period

    why are the union not involved

    why do you think you will owe the trust 7.5 hours

    what are your contracted hours per week

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    • #3
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      Hiya Sol

      They cannot change your working hours without consultation....but they will try!

      Find out who/what started this initiative. Get all affected colleagues to contact their union reps. Find out if an Equalities Impact Assessment was performed and also what consultation was undertaken. (The Union will do this formally)

      Each staff member affected needs to formally inform their line managers of their resistance to such changes without consultation.

      Even if certain individuals are not with the union, the union will still want to act because they don't take kindly to alterations such as this without their involvement. (Public Sector only of course )
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      • #4
        Re: working hours

        Originally posted by keithposty View Post
        to change your working hours the employer would need to do a consultation period

        why are the union not involved

        why do you think you will owe the trust 7.5 hours

        what are your contracted hours per week
        Good post.

        Do you have the answers for him Solowka?

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        • #5
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          well, the hours they empose are 07:00 - 14:30, 07:00 - 1600, 13:30 - 21:30, 21:00 - 07:00 and 16:00 - 00:00 we will have to do at least one of the odd shifts a week leading up to a deficiet of 7.5 hrs owed.

          the staff were not involved, the unions didnt notify the staff despite the letter saying to the contry

          our contracted hours are 37.5hrs per week (40 hrs including unpaid break)

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          • #6
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            you need to be talking to your rep

            changes can be done otherwise with 28 days notice

            the options you will have are
            1/ accept the changes
            2/ do a grievance and work under protest
            3/ resign and claim constructive dismissal

            during the consultation period they have to justify why the changes are needed

            political
            economic
            social
            technological

            have they given a reason for the change in hours

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            • #7
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              they claimed it would improve service, but the faceless bureaucrat camew from a trust less busy than ours and it is a money saving exercise! 2 nurses have already resigned.

              I think they gave us 3 weeks notice, got the email this week and the changes are due to change in the 2nd week of next month

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              • #8
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                this is why the union need to be involved

                they would demand to see how a restructure would benefit and not just an economy drive which would be justified

                check back tomorrow as i feel this shift pattern may infringe on the working time directive unless you have opted out and ill have some more legislation for you

                in a nutshell

                they have to justify any change

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                • #9
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                  im off no til wed, but i am aware of noone opting out of the working time directive. any help would be gratefully accepted :-)

                  but i`ll get intouch with Unison tomorrow

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                  • #10
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                    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/balls-union...103443376.html

                    Shadow chancellor Ed Balls has urged unions not to fall into what he calls the "Tory trap" by striking over public spending pension cuts. Mr Balls claimed ministers were deliberately trying to provoke the unions into industrial action so they could blame them for the failure of the Government's economic strategy.
                    Writing in the Sunday Mirror, Mr Balls warned it was not in the unions' interests to engage in mass strikes.
                    He said the country did not want to see a return to the "division and confrontation" of the 1980s.
                    "From David Cameron down, Ministers are saying to the trade unions: 'Bring it on'. Like in the 1980s, they seem to be spoiling for a fight, goading the unions and trying to provoke strikes," he wrote........................

                    (Mainly re pensions, but to do with cuts overall)
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                    • #11
                      Re: working hours

                      Good clear advice for the OP Keithposty.
                      I wonder why Unison aren't jumping up and down already?

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                      • #12
                        Re: working hours

                        I was going to bring up WTD. Basically all necessary staff that incl hospitals (chefs, and other hospitality workers also fall into this catagory) are excluded from the WTD which means you work as and when the business dictates.

                        You will have signed this waiver within your contract check I bet its there... Every nurse and doctor and emergency crew I know are opted out of the WTD.

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                        • #13
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                          The Only PeOPLE Excluded From The Working Time Directive Are The Emergency Services

                          Gone Are The Days Of Doctors On 80 Hour Shift Patterns

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                          • #14
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                            REally, funny because I know hospitality workers are, and nurses... are they not?

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                            • #15
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                              If You Opt Out Of The Wtd Then You Are Only Permitted By Law To A Max 70 Hour Week

                              You Have To Have A 10 Hour Break Between Shifts
                              11 Hours If A Driver And A 24 Hour Break Once A Week

                              The Only Exception Is If You Do Long And Shorts Shift Patterns or contenental

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