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    I have received 5, yes 5 of these fines! Are they legitimate and should I pay them? Someone told me that I should ignore them because they are unenforceable but I don't really want to end up forking out £100.00 for each when at the moment they are £60.00 each.
    All advice greatfully received.

    Many thanks

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    Hi & welcome to LB.

    Some background info would be helpful.

    Do you live in England/Wales?
    Is the vehicle on HP/lease? Company vehicle? Etc.
    Private land?
    Were there windscreen PCNs?
    Where did this happen? Same location for all?
    Residential?
    Do you have the PCNs/Notices to Keeper?
    Do you have pictures of site signage.
    Have you made any appeals?
    & any other info which may help.

    Do not ID who was driving at the time(s).
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    Hi there, thank you so much for your response.

    I am in England. The car isn't leased etc it is owned. I received the notices through the post but did not have anything left on my windscreen. I have not made any appeals but I can get photos of the signage which has been half ripped down so you can't really read it properly. And yes, they are all in the same location. I have the PCN that they sent through the post. They had pictures of the car on them but for all I know that could all be on the same day and they've just issued 5 fines in the hope that I will cough up! I'm so annoyed with myself and them!! I didn't realise that it was a "private" car park if I am honest! Other people seem to park in there and there is nothing stating time limits etc either.

    Many thanks

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    Ok

    Could you post up the fronts of all the postal Notices to Keeper, & if they are all the same on the rear, one of those? (Rear).
    Obscure personal details but leave all dates visible.

    Also post up pictures of site signs.
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    You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
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    Hi there,

    Here are two of them. They are all the same on the back and the other three just have different dates but the same information on the front except different photos of the car. I don't currently have photos of the signage but I can get that tomorrow and post it if that helps at all.

    Many thanks for your assistance.
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    Sorry Abbie, I can't read them.
    Tried to enlarge them but they're not legible.
    CAVEAT LECTOR

    This is only my opinion - "
    Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

    You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
    Cohen, Herb

    There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
    gets his brain a-going.
    Phelps, C. C.

    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
    The last words of John Sedgwick

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    Oh Sorry! Is there another way that I could get them to you? I am not really sure of the processes on here as I am new to this forum/website.

    Many thanks

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    You could send them to our @Kati.

    I can be emailed if you need my help loading pictures/documents to your thread. My email address is
    [email protected]
    But please include a link to your thread so I know who you are.
    @Kati

    Can you do any magic with the ones already posted?
    CAVEAT LECTOR

    This is only my opinion - "
    Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

    You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
    Cohen, Herb

    There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
    gets his brain a-going.
    Phelps, C. C.

    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
    The last words of John Sedgwick

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    Quote Originally Posted by charitynjw View Post
    @Kati

    Can you do any magic with the ones already posted?
    nope (sorry)
    @Abbie ... if you can email them to me at [email protected] with either your LB username or a link to this thread I'll try and sort it out tomorrow morning xx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kati View Post
    nope (sorry)
    @Abbie ... if you can email them to me at [email protected] with either your LB username or a link to this thread I'll try and sort it out tomorrow morning xx
    Hi Kati,

    I have sent you an email with the attachments and included the link to this thread. Thank you both so much for your assistance so far, I really appreciate it.

    Kind regards

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    Got them @Abbie
    here ya go @charitynjw ... see if these are any better xx
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    Thank @Kati
    @Abbie

    Imho the 2 NtKs are not compliant with PoFA (Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4).
    If so there can't be a transfer of liability from driver to registered keeper. (You have received Notices to (registered) Keeper.
    The onus is on them to ID the driver.
    So don't tell them who it was.
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    You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
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    There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
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    Thank you so much Kati for your help. Bless you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by charitynjw View Post
    Thank @Kati
    @Abbie

    Imho the 2 NtKs are not compliant with PoFA (Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4).
    If so there can't be a transfer of liability from driver to registered keeper. (You have received Notices to (registered) Keeper.
    The onus is on them to ID the driver.
    So don't tell them who it was.
    Do I just ignore them then do you think or do I need to appeal on the basis that you have described, that they need to prove the liability?
    Thanks again for your help.

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    You could try sending (with proof of postage)

    Your Address
    Date:

    Reference: PCN #s [All of them]

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    Many thanks for your recent correspondence, in which you claim the driver of my vehicle is liable for parking charges.

    Since your Notices to Keeper fail to comply with the Protection of Freedom Act 2012 Schedule 4, as such there is no keeper’s liability.

    As there is no legal obligation to name the driver; I am within my legal right not to do so.
    In law you may not assume that I, the keeper, was the driver on these days.

    No further information will be provided at this time; cancellation is your only viable and reasonable option.

    I would request that you remove my personal data from your records, & advise you that any continued use of same by yourselves is a breach of the Data Protection Act 1998.

    Should you decide to try to continue with your baseless actions, I request that you send me all the necessary information required to appeal via an independent body, which will be fully utilised.

    Sincerely,

    {you]

    The Registered Keeper
    & wait to see what happens.

    (Credit for this letter goes to Sue Prior from another site....which I've just adapted to suit).

    Btw, I'm assuming that all the NtK's are substantially the same, apart from dates/times & pictures?
    CAVEAT LECTOR

    This is only my opinion - "
    Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

    You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
    Cohen, Herb

    There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
    gets his brain a-going.
    Phelps, C. C.

    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
    The last words of John Sedgwick

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    Quote Originally Posted by charitynjw View Post
    You could try sending (with proof of postage)



    & wait to see what happens.

    (Credit for this letter goes to Sue Prior from another site....which I've just adapted to suit).

    Btw, I'm assuming that all the NtK's are substantially the same, apart from dates/times & pictures?

    Hi there,

    I can't thank you enough for this. I shall send these letters for each of them and let you know how I get on. Yes, they are all the same apart from the dates/times.
    Thank you again for your assistance, it's much appreciated @Kati, also thanks to you too!

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    No worries, Abbie.

    We may have to do POPLA.

    Could you get some good pics of site signage?

    & a look at the other 3 Ntk's, if you can pop them up here.
    Last edited by charitynjw; 22nd October 2017 at 18:37:PM.
    CAVEAT LECTOR

    This is only my opinion - "
    Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

    You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
    Cohen, Herb

    There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
    gets his brain a-going.
    Phelps, C. C.

    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
    The last words of John Sedgwick

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    Another thought has occurred to me.

    When parking co's access the DVLA database for keeper details, they must do a separate request for each separate event.
    Sometimes when there are multiple events they sometimes 'overlook' this detail (after all, they've already paid for the details once, why waste money!)
    So could you send the attached letter (suitably tweaked & ask for details spanning just before the first event to about a month or so after the last one).
    There's no fee to DVLA for this, but get proof of posting.

    [Registered keeper name & address]

    DVLA Vehicle Record Enquiries Section
    Longview Road
    Morriston
    Swansea
    SA99 1AJ
    [Date]
    Re: Registration [XXXX]
    Dear Sirs
    As the Registered Keeper of the above VRM could you advise who has accessed my personal details with regards to this marque, I need to know what address was provided, how often the information has been requested and when did the DVLA send the keeper details out. Please advise the information with regards to events between [XXXX date] and [XXXX date]
    I understand there is no charge for this information and look forward to your speedy reply.
    Yours faithfully

    [Name of RK]
    The Registered Keeper
    CAVEAT LECTOR

    This is only my opinion - "
    Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

    You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
    Cohen, Herb

    There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
    gets his brain a-going.
    Phelps, C. C.

    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
    The last words of John Sedgwick

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    Quote Originally Posted by charitynjw View Post
    No worries, Abbie.

    We may have to do POPLA.

    Could you get some good pics of site signage?



    & a look at the other 3 Ntk's, if you can pop them up here.
    Hi there, unfortunately I didn't manage to get a picture of the signage today but I attach the other "fines" for you. They are the same as the others really just different dates. Apparently the company has issued loads of them recently according to other people that I have spoken to today. They are all basically ignoring them but I don't feel comfortable doing that as I would rather not end up with a court case on my hands because of some jobsworth! What is a POPLA, I have never heard of this?

    Many thanks and kind regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbie View Post
    What is a POPLA, I have never heard of this?
    POPLA is the name of the 'independant' appeals service that you send an appeal to if/when your appeal to the company is rejected. Their decision is binding to the PPC (but not you) xx
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    POPLA = Parking On Private Land Appeals...the BPA independent appeals people.

    I'll take a look at the NtKs in a while.

    (I did post something else but then realised I was wrong).
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    You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
    Cohen, Herb

    There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
    gets his brain a-going.
    Phelps, C. C.

    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
    The last words of John Sedgwick

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    Ok.

    You are right to be wary of the 'ignore' advice.
    That is now (& has been for some time) 'old hat', but it still persists.
    Some firms are very litigious & many people have had court claims issued against them.
    As it happens though, according to BMPA, MET have not done court so far this year.

    So the choice is yours, but if it were me I'd do the parking co/POPLA appeal route.

    Now for the possible argument.
    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4, 9(2)(b)
    (
    2)
    The notice must—
    (a)
    specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;

    (b)

    inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full;
    and 9(2)(f)
    (f)
    warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given—
    (i)
    the amount of the unpaid parking charges specified under paragraph (d)
    has not been paid in full, and
    (ii)
    the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver,

    the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid;
    Imho none of the Notices state this clearly....close, but no cigar!
    It is a statutory duty to use the correct wording on the notice....hence the words "The notice must...."

    I argued that for someone at POPLA...& won on that point.
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    Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

    You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
    Cohen, Herb

    There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
    gets his brain a-going.
    Phelps, C. C.

    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
    The last words of John Sedgwick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kati View Post
    POPLA is the name of the 'independant' appeals service that you send an appeal to if/when your appeal to the company is rejected. Their decision is binding to the PPC (but not you) xx
    Thank you Kati.
    @charitynjw, I have now been sent POPLA codes for each of these and the letters all have the same narrative. Do I now need to appeal again?

    Many thanks

    Abbie

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    Yes, appeal to POPLA within the 28 day window.
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    This is only my opinion - "
    Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

    You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
    Cohen, Herb

    There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
    gets his brain a-going.
    Phelps, C. C.

    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
    The last words of John Sedgwick

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    The parking company have to send POPLA their version of events with a copy sent to you. You have a week to contact POPLA to fight against there comments. Be careful the late delivery to you.

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