penalty ticket at LIDL

[ostell]

Re: penalty ticket at LIDL

For some reason can't see the front of the NTK when trying to see it larger. Back OK and nothing important there but you have left the PCN number on there. Suggest you delete, redact again and repost.

[charitynjw]

Re: penalty ticket at LIDL

You've covered up the time of entry.
At a guess I would say......11:31:14?

I reckon there is a reasonable argument about grace periods.

[momy3]

Re: penalty ticket at LIDL

Yes, time of entry is 11:31:14 and exit is 13:16:59

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Done, thanks

[charitynjw]

Re: penalty ticket at LIDL

A new debt pre-action protocol for court claims came into force earlier this week.
The emphasis now is to utilise methods of avoiding court, & so it may be wise to go through the appeals system. (Appeal to parking co...if rejected, appeal via IAS).

Don't hold your breath for appeals to be successful....both are notoriously pro parking co's.
But at least you'll be seen to be playing the game.

To begin with, appeal to the parking co as registered keeper.
If it were me I'd do so re PoFA non-compliance. (See an attached example used by a fb group).
The aim is to get an IAS appeal code.

Your Address
Date:

Reference: PCN #

Dear Sir/Madam,
Many thanks for your recent correspondence, in which you claim the driver of my vehicle is liable for a parking charge.


Since your Notice to keeper fails to comply with the Protection of Freedom Act 2012 Schedule 4, as such there is no keeper’s liability.
As there is no legal obligation to name the driver, I refuse to do so, you may not assume that I, the keeper, was the driver on this day.
No further information will be provided at this time; cancellation is your only viable and reasonable option. Information to appeal via an independent body will be accepted and fully utilised.

Sincerely,
The Registered Keeper

[momy3]

Re: penalty ticket at LIDL

[MENTION=5553]charitynjw[/MENTION]. thank you very much. I will do just that.

If they reject it, will I be given a popla code?

[charitynjw]

Re: penalty ticket at LIDL

@charitynjw. thank you very much. I will do just that.

If they reject it, will I be given a popla code?

You should.
As stated, it will be IAS, so any appeal allegedly has a low chance of success.

[momy3]

Re: penalty ticket at LIDL

[MENTION=5553]charitynjw[/MENTION], I am sorry I'm a bit confused as what I should do. I was hoping to use the sample that you sent to me, however are you saying I have a slim chance of the ticket getting cancelled if I did that? Also pls what does IAS stand for?

Also, if I used this sample above, and it gets rejected, am I doomed? as you stated that I have a slim chance of winning an appeal?

I think I may have it mixed up,

[charitynjw]

Re: penalty ticket at LIDL

IAS=Independent Appeals Service.

How independent?
http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co...-kangaroo.html
I leave it with you to make up your own mind.
(There have been some subsequent changes....directors resigning & whatnot
& IPC are now called International Parking Community).

[charitynjw]

Re: penalty ticket at LIDL

Only my opinion.

Courts like parties to attempt ADR

The object of the initial appeal to the parking co (in your particular case) is to get an appeal code.
(There's not much chance of the parking co agreeing with you & cancelling)

IAS is (allegedly) pro parking co (you rarely see them agreeing with the driver/RK & allowing the appeal).
However it's worth putting in a slightly more in-depth appeal to them.

If they don't allow (agree) the appeal, you don't have to abide by or agree with their decision.
If by some good fortune you win, the parking co has to accept the decision.

If you lose, but decide not to accept the decision, the parking co will have to decide whether or not to take it further.

In all of this, do not ID who was driving at the time.

[momy3]

Re: penalty ticket at LIDL

[MENTION=5553]charitynjw[/MENTION], thanks for the clarification. If I may ask another question, If they decide to take it further for instance, do I stand a chance?

[charitynjw]

Re: penalty ticket at LIDL

@charitynjw, thanks for the clarification. If I may ask another question, If they decide to take it further for instance, do I stand a chance?

Lol, that's the $64,000 question (but if you pay within 14 days I'll let you have it for $40k! )

In round figures the time between the ANPR entry & exit is about 1hr 46 mins.
1hr 30mins free.
10 mins grace period to exit the car park (See page 12.........15.2)
https://theipc.info/uploads/-imXk-gE...une%202017.pdf
That only leaves between 5 to 6 mins to drive in (driving is not parking), find a convenient space, exit vehicle & read/digest the sign & decide whether to continue parking, A reasonable time must be allowed to do so. (15.1 on the above link).
Maybe something impeded the driver's progress through the car park (other vehicles parking/leaving)?
I wasn't there, so obviously I can't comment.

[tant0]

Re: penalty ticket at LIDL

useful..

[charitynjw]

Re: penalty ticket at LIDL

useful..

I've been called worse.....

[tant0]

Re: penalty ticket at LIDL

[MENTION=5553]charitynjw[/MENTION], loll not you, but the points you made, they are useful points for the future

[momy3]

Re: penalty ticket at LIDL

[MENTION=5553]charitynjw[/MENTION] pls what is the way forward, as per the way forward, Should I use the above one or the earlier one you asked I use, and should I still write to the CEO of lidl. There are lots of points, I am not sure what way to go, to get the best result?